File under: Things we maybe didn’t know about Lady Gaga. (And Lord knows that’s a short list at this point.)

In this vintage clip from 2008, we see a not-yet-fully-formed Gaga (Is she wearing pants? SHE IS!) hitting up LA Ink’s Kat Von D for some elaborate lower back art.

The two ladies chat about L.A., Gaga’s songwriting—she just worked with New Kids On The Block!—and her parents’ reaction to all those tattoos. Check it out after the jump:

Is anyone else feeling some secondhand pain? Will any of you be tuning in tonight for the season finale of LA Ink?

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